Good article, but it would have been helpful if you discussed the difference between pardons and commutations. My understanding is that a pardon is basically forgiveness for the crime and may restore rights, whereas a commutation reduces the sentence but does not forgive and leaves the conviction in place. There apparently were several J6 rioters convicted of violent acts who received commutations (not pardons), ie, they were freed after serving 3-4 years in jail. One can argue that serving 3-4 years was enough for the crime. Harder to justify a pardon for a violent act, but I would want to know the full details. Question: do you know if any J6 persons convicted of violent acts received actual pardons?
Thank you. I generally agree with your points about not forgiving violence, but eventually it would be good for all of us to learn more details about the specific circumstances of each pardonee. For instance, if a group of rioters were in a scrum and pushing and shoving, and said people have spent 2-3 years in jail because the DOJ and the courts imposed incarceration in advance of a trial, I have no problem with a pardon. In contrast, if someone committed violence directly at a cop, eg hit him with a bat, that person should not be pardoned (although a commutation might be appropriate in certain cases depending on the circumstances). At the end of the day, each case needs to be looked at on its own merits.
I would like to think that Trump's pardons, followed Biden's (and the relative silence about them).
That is, that he would have, in fact, looked at each case and decided same individually.
I also think that the pardons/commutations were based at least in part on the charges. That is, even those who assaulted coppers I think we're overcharged, especially with seditious conspiracy. Many of the J6ers, including at least some who did violence on cops, didn't even know each other, so how could there be a conspiracy.
Memory serving even Smith, the POS that he is, said that The Donald couldn't have been charged in this manner. Thus, again, where was the conspiracy?
I fully agree with the author. Violence against cops can never be tolerated and must always be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.
Let us hope that The Donald's support for cops which seems to be true and unashamed in many of his XOs continues.
Loved your post. While I agree with 90% of your statement, if the J6 investigation had been competent, we know now that it change many aspects. Videos seem to show the crowd had been deliberately funneled into the Capital.
There is also video that shows the police letting people in and then video of the Capitol police attacking a milling crowd of what became trapped animals.
Literally people bleeding with visible wounds and at the same time unable to see more than a few feet.
At that point I’m not sure anyone wouldn’t lash out in a fight or flight response as flight was not an option.
If Tucker Carlson’s video got the Q Anon wild man released from prison something is horribly wrong with the investigation we were fed. Some very powerful people made sure those videos and Tucker went away the next day.
That alone would make any serious Capitol police investigator-detective want a closer look. Capitol police force members are not all dirty so we know some will want to speak out. There are some J6 defendants who over 4 years later were still waiting for a trial, didn’t think that was possible in this country.
Bail them, investigate them, but find out the truth. Use some common sense…..cut the politics out of the incident.
We know now that there were as many as 250 FBI operatives in the Capitol crowd dressed and playing the part of protestors. Many of them were advocating for violence whilst under cover because most protestors were not interested in that behavior. These covert " officers of the law" are most likely responsible for the small number of protestors who actually perpetrated any type of assault on Capitol Police officers. While few police officers required medical care because of injuries it was two unarmed and innocent protestors that died that day - one, a disabled woman who was mercilessly beaten by Capitol police with batons and another petite woman who was murdered by a Capitol police office while attempted to crawl through a window. When those police officers are charged and convicted, justice will be served!
They may always be in attendance, but when they act in conspiracy with their commie superiors to foment violence in order to make their political opponents look bad, they don't deserve to wear a badge or uniform!!
And I have seen the video clips of fomentors in the crowd quickly flashing their badges at Capitol officers who might have otherwise laid hands on them.
I appreciate reading this perspective and analysis, although I don’t agree that comparing J6 and BLM is exactly fair, considering one was an incident and the other a movement or a string of incidents at the very least.
TY for offering some insight into what might be the experience of law enforcement around the implications of these pardons.
Watch out for the secret mission, removal of protections for employees, no matter what side you on. If you think the past administrations long arm of government was too long. Look at this administration, stripping employees of civil service protections leads right down to all our brothers and sisters in blue. Neither administrations really cares about police, I believe they should have pardoned on a case by case. And no defunding police as with last , Administration. As you see people who attacked police, just got a boost in disrespect for police.
I pray for my blue brothers and sisters, because, we have lost our ability to prevent chaos. This administration and the other administration are both after our protections. So fight like hell with your union representatives or you won’t have any rights!
You seem to have left out the 6000+ pardons of the Biden regime involving convicted felons and even on death row, as well as many in government positions that presumably would be investigated and potentially charged for various high crimes including treason. I also see no mention of the various insane issues of abuse of the justice system to prosecute many for obvious and stated political purposes. I also see plenty of other context missing, as well as arguably much more egregious unlawful abuse of various J6 accused and jailed for several years without due process or any real process. Anyway, you stated your opinion, and I see it as treating some of the important facts as irrelevant or unworthy of consideration.
Your points are relevant. There is no way to talk about every issue in a short article.
But. As I stated at the beginning of my article that I was going to talk about: BLM riots v. 1/6 & Biden’s pardon of a cop killer v. Trump’s pardon of 1/6 rioters.
To include everything you mentioned could be a 300 page book.
I also didn’t talk much about the murder of Ashli Babbitt / but I did write a prior article on the case.
One person's story of the many egregious misuse and abuse of the legal system surrounding the J6 issue. There are far too many things about the whole J6 cabal that stink of corruption.
The comparisons to the "summer of love" and the "mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 to the Jan 6th protests and the prosecutions that followed often leave out of ignore that there were hundreds of arrests made during and after those urban riots and hundreds prosecuted, many federally.
"An Associated Press review of court documents in more than 300 federal cases stemming from the protests sparked by George Floyd’s death last year shows that dozens of people charged have been convicted of serious crimes and sent to prison.
The AP found that more than 120 defendants across the United States have pleaded guilty or were convicted at trial of federal crimes including rioting, arson and conspiracy. More than 70 defendants who’ve been sentenced so far have gotten an average of about 27 months behind bars. At least 10 received prison terms of five years or more."
Of course that pales in comparison to the numbers of prosecutions for the Jan 6th incident, but they did occur and they did go to jail.
Not sure I can add anything to your excellent analysis, not to mention that this is a topic with so many different moving parts.
Let me say that of course, anyone who assaults a police officer should be held to account, regardless of their politics. In fact, I'm lobbying for legislation that would increase these penalties.
Sadly, equality under the law has not always been the case as you've astutely pointed out, and that is wrong. If I had time, I'd compare the sentences meted out for similar crimes committed against federal police officers on any given day with those of J6 offenders. Wonder how they'd measure up.
My issue is that some people are so obsessed with J6 and these pardons (and have so much disdain for President Trump) that they overlook the good he can do for policing. In his first week he's already pardoned two wrongfully convicted D.C. officers and stopped the previous administration's legal assaults on local police departments. They also overlook the war on police that's been able to fester for years, mostly propelled by Democrat policies (Consent Decrees, attempts to eradicate qualified immunity, etc.)
And mention the tens of thousands of cops who are being assaulted in record number across the country on a regular basis? Not a word from them.
It's the double standards and refusal to see beyond one's limited view that get's tiring. So thank you for allowing for honest dialog.
Good article, but it would have been helpful if you discussed the difference between pardons and commutations. My understanding is that a pardon is basically forgiveness for the crime and may restore rights, whereas a commutation reduces the sentence but does not forgive and leaves the conviction in place. There apparently were several J6 rioters convicted of violent acts who received commutations (not pardons), ie, they were freed after serving 3-4 years in jail. One can argue that serving 3-4 years was enough for the crime. Harder to justify a pardon for a violent act, but I would want to know the full details. Question: do you know if any J6 persons convicted of violent acts received actual pardons?
Thank you. I generally agree with your points about not forgiving violence, but eventually it would be good for all of us to learn more details about the specific circumstances of each pardonee. For instance, if a group of rioters were in a scrum and pushing and shoving, and said people have spent 2-3 years in jail because the DOJ and the courts imposed incarceration in advance of a trial, I have no problem with a pardon. In contrast, if someone committed violence directly at a cop, eg hit him with a bat, that person should not be pardoned (although a commutation might be appropriate in certain cases depending on the circumstances). At the end of the day, each case needs to be looked at on its own merits.
Yes. From the reporting I saw - the majority of the 170 Jan 6rs that were convicted of using violence against police were given pardons.
I would like to think that Trump's pardons, followed Biden's (and the relative silence about them).
That is, that he would have, in fact, looked at each case and decided same individually.
I also think that the pardons/commutations were based at least in part on the charges. That is, even those who assaulted coppers I think we're overcharged, especially with seditious conspiracy. Many of the J6ers, including at least some who did violence on cops, didn't even know each other, so how could there be a conspiracy.
Memory serving even Smith, the POS that he is, said that The Donald couldn't have been charged in this manner. Thus, again, where was the conspiracy?
I fully agree with the author. Violence against cops can never be tolerated and must always be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.
Let us hope that The Donald's support for cops which seems to be true and unashamed in many of his XOs continues.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment.
And I agree. A lot of Jan 6rs were overcharged.
It was a riot. Not an insurrection. Treat it like other riots.
I will probably do A video about this tomorrow or Monday since I've had family members come for me over this...of course, they have very few facts.
https://www.facebook.com/hollywoodmorris/posts/pfbid0aUpWEjJZV73mjqBEhF7CFUBPQbiicuLGPhVaMYWo54oMtsTvSGvKgG3BPjqgvZkwl?comment_id=1260401358387128&reply_comment_id=3992767044301676¬if_id=1737825748324971¬if_t=comment_mention&ref=notif
Loved your post. While I agree with 90% of your statement, if the J6 investigation had been competent, we know now that it change many aspects. Videos seem to show the crowd had been deliberately funneled into the Capital.
There is also video that shows the police letting people in and then video of the Capitol police attacking a milling crowd of what became trapped animals.
Literally people bleeding with visible wounds and at the same time unable to see more than a few feet.
At that point I’m not sure anyone wouldn’t lash out in a fight or flight response as flight was not an option.
If Tucker Carlson’s video got the Q Anon wild man released from prison something is horribly wrong with the investigation we were fed. Some very powerful people made sure those videos and Tucker went away the next day.
That alone would make any serious Capitol police investigator-detective want a closer look. Capitol police force members are not all dirty so we know some will want to speak out. There are some J6 defendants who over 4 years later were still waiting for a trial, didn’t think that was possible in this country.
Bail them, investigate them, but find out the truth. Use some common sense…..cut the politics out of the incident.
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AWESOME JOB
We know now that there were as many as 250 FBI operatives in the Capitol crowd dressed and playing the part of protestors. Many of them were advocating for violence whilst under cover because most protestors were not interested in that behavior. These covert " officers of the law" are most likely responsible for the small number of protestors who actually perpetrated any type of assault on Capitol Police officers. While few police officers required medical care because of injuries it was two unarmed and innocent protestors that died that day - one, a disabled woman who was mercilessly beaten by Capitol police with batons and another petite woman who was murdered by a Capitol police office while attempted to crawl through a window. When those police officers are charged and convicted, justice will be served!
It’s all on video.
Cite 1 undercover cop who committed violence or incited the crowd . Tucker has all the video. It’s out there.
Is there any evidence to back up your claim?
Also. Undercover police officers are always in attendance at large protests. Everywhere in the country. This is normal operating procedure.
They may always be in attendance, but when they act in conspiracy with their commie superiors to foment violence in order to make their political opponents look bad, they don't deserve to wear a badge or uniform!!
I agree. And. If there is evidence of what you say - the cops will/should be fired & prosecuted - lose their career & pension.
My point. We have all the video from 1/6 & nothing like you claim has been found.
I’m just asking that we go by evidence / not conspiracy theory.
And I have seen the video clips of fomentors in the crowd quickly flashing their badges at Capitol officers who might have otherwise laid hands on them.
I appreciate reading this perspective and analysis, although I don’t agree that comparing J6 and BLM is exactly fair, considering one was an incident and the other a movement or a string of incidents at the very least.
TY for offering some insight into what might be the experience of law enforcement around the implications of these pardons.
Watch out for the secret mission, removal of protections for employees, no matter what side you on. If you think the past administrations long arm of government was too long. Look at this administration, stripping employees of civil service protections leads right down to all our brothers and sisters in blue. Neither administrations really cares about police, I believe they should have pardoned on a case by case. And no defunding police as with last , Administration. As you see people who attacked police, just got a boost in disrespect for police.
I pray for my blue brothers and sisters, because, we have lost our ability to prevent chaos. This administration and the other administration are both after our protections. So fight like hell with your union representatives or you won’t have any rights!
You seem to have left out the 6000+ pardons of the Biden regime involving convicted felons and even on death row, as well as many in government positions that presumably would be investigated and potentially charged for various high crimes including treason. I also see no mention of the various insane issues of abuse of the justice system to prosecute many for obvious and stated political purposes. I also see plenty of other context missing, as well as arguably much more egregious unlawful abuse of various J6 accused and jailed for several years without due process or any real process. Anyway, you stated your opinion, and I see it as treating some of the important facts as irrelevant or unworthy of consideration.
Your points are relevant. There is no way to talk about every issue in a short article.
But. As I stated at the beginning of my article that I was going to talk about: BLM riots v. 1/6 & Biden’s pardon of a cop killer v. Trump’s pardon of 1/6 rioters.
To include everything you mentioned could be a 300 page book.
I also didn’t talk much about the murder of Ashli Babbitt / but I did write a prior article on the case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd-A-2z892U
One person's story of the many egregious misuse and abuse of the legal system surrounding the J6 issue. There are far too many things about the whole J6 cabal that stink of corruption.
I couldn't agree more. However...
The comparisons to the "summer of love" and the "mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 to the Jan 6th protests and the prosecutions that followed often leave out of ignore that there were hundreds of arrests made during and after those urban riots and hundreds prosecuted, many federally.
"An Associated Press review of court documents in more than 300 federal cases stemming from the protests sparked by George Floyd’s death last year shows that dozens of people charged have been convicted of serious crimes and sent to prison.
The AP found that more than 120 defendants across the United States have pleaded guilty or were convicted at trial of federal crimes including rioting, arson and conspiracy. More than 70 defendants who’ve been sentenced so far have gotten an average of about 27 months behind bars. At least 10 received prison terms of five years or more."
Of course that pales in comparison to the numbers of prosecutions for the Jan 6th incident, but they did occur and they did go to jail.
Not sure I can add anything to your excellent analysis, not to mention that this is a topic with so many different moving parts.
Let me say that of course, anyone who assaults a police officer should be held to account, regardless of their politics. In fact, I'm lobbying for legislation that would increase these penalties.
Sadly, equality under the law has not always been the case as you've astutely pointed out, and that is wrong. If I had time, I'd compare the sentences meted out for similar crimes committed against federal police officers on any given day with those of J6 offenders. Wonder how they'd measure up.
My issue is that some people are so obsessed with J6 and these pardons (and have so much disdain for President Trump) that they overlook the good he can do for policing. In his first week he's already pardoned two wrongfully convicted D.C. officers and stopped the previous administration's legal assaults on local police departments. They also overlook the war on police that's been able to fester for years, mostly propelled by Democrat policies (Consent Decrees, attempts to eradicate qualified immunity, etc.)
And mention the tens of thousands of cops who are being assaulted in record number across the country on a regular basis? Not a word from them.
It's the double standards and refusal to see beyond one's limited view that get's tiring. So thank you for allowing for honest dialog.